Which was the true account? Both.

In what did the two accounts differ? I do not see that they differ at all; I did not enter so into detail as I do now.

Was the difference between your accounts, that you were shorter in the account you gave to col. Wardle, than in the account you have given to-day? Considerably.

Can you recollect the day on which Dr. Thynne applied to you? The day of the month or the day of the week?

Either? I do not, it was such a trifling af

occasion.

Have you not told col. Wardle on what day Dr. Thynue applied to you? No, I have not. Did not you tell col. Wardle that the application was made to you on Thursday, and that it was gazetted on the Saturday? No, I did not; I might as well have said Tuesday as Thursday, I do not recollect any thing about days or dates.

Have you told the house now all that you told col. Wardle upon the subject? I have answered that before? I have told the house more than I have told him a great deal; I told them that I did net go into detail with him, and I have with the house.

Have you told the house every thing that you mentioned to him? Upon what subject?

Upon this subject? Yes, I havě, and a great deal more.

What have you told the house to-day, which you have not told col. Wardle? I mentioned it but slightly to him, and I have told every thing here that I recollect, except a slight conversation between h. r. h. and myself, which I suppose it is not necessary to repeat.

On the requisition of Mr. Brand, the witness was ordered to withdraw, and the hon. gentleman then stated, that the tendency of the Attorney General's questions was to impeach the veracity of Mr. Wardle, which he did not consider a fair course of procedure towards his hon. friend.

The Attorney General denied that such was by any means his intention. Whatever questions he had felt it his duty to put to the witness was with the sole view of impeaching her veracity alone, and he trusted what he had said, and what he would say, would convince the house of her whole story being a malicious fabrication, and not entitled to any credit. He was far from thinking that any thing he could say to expose her falsehoods could in the least affect the veracity of Mr. Wardle, and nothing could be farther from his intention. -The witness was then called in and re-examined.

(By the Attorncy General.)

h. ?

Have you ever stated to anyone, that you had grounds of complaint against h. r. To many I have stated it.

Have you not stated, that if h. r. h. did not comply with your demands, you would expose him? I told Mr. W. Adam, in a letter, that if he did not fulfil his promises, and the Duke's, by paying me the annuity, for which Mr. Adam was the guarantee, and which Mr. Adam promised me should be regularly and punctually paid me, that I should be necessitated to expose h. r. h.'s letters; that was all.

Have you never said that if h. r. h. did not come to your terins, you would expose him? No, never in my life.

Never to any one? Never to any one whatever; nor is it willing at all in me now, I was very angry in that letter, and perhaps Mr. Adam will produce it: that goes to the worst part that ever I said or acted.

Is it only in one letter that you have threatened to expose h. r. h.? Two I have written to Mr. Adam; that is all, to any one.

Were there threats in both the letters

They are not threats: I solicited. Did you say in those letters, that you would expose h. r. h.? Mr. Adam, I suppose, has letters; and, if he is the house, perhaps produce them.

Did you accompany your solicitations by saying, that if they were not complied with, you would expose the Duke? I do not recol

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Did you never make any declaration of that sort to any other person? No, never.

Did you never state to any other person, that if your terms were not complied with, you would expose the Duke, or use any terms to that effect? I have told you before, I did not. Are you quite certain of that? Yes, quite. Did you ever tell Mr. Wardle that you wanted this 2001. for a particular purpose? No, I did not.

Did you not say to Mr. R. Knight, that if h. r. h. did not come into your terms, you would expose him? No, I did not.

Did you ever say any thing to that effect to Mr. R. Knight? No, I did not: I told him I was going to publish the Duke's letters, to pay the creditors, which h. r. h. had refused. H. r. h. had insisted, that I should plead my marriage to avoid the debts or that I might go to prison; that was his last message to me.

When was that message sent? I should think six weeks or two months since; my lawyer can tell, the message went to him.

Who is your lawyer? Mr. Comrie was my lawyer.

Who was your lawyer then? Mr. Stokes, who lives in Golden-square.

He was your lawyer when that message was sent? He received the message and came with it to me.

Who carried the message to him? A man in the employ of Mr. W. Adam, a sort of lawyer.

Did Mr. Knight come voluntarily to you, or did you send for him? I was in the habit of writing to Mr. K., since we had been intimate, after the affair of his brother. I wrote him one or two letters, and told him where I lived, and told him to call when he came to town; I dare say he has the letters, which will resolve the question at once.

Did you not write to him, to desire him to come, particularly upon the occasion when you told him you should publish the Duke's letters? No, certainly, I did not.

Did you not send to him, to desire that he would call upon you, and when he came, tell him, that you intended to publish the Duke's letters? I must refer you to the letters; it was only a common sort of letter that I am in the habit perhaps of writing to many more gentlemen, besides Mr. K.

You have mentioned, that you were advised to plead your marriage; are you married? It is of no consequence at all about my husband, that has nothing to do with it; Mr. Adam can tell who I am.

Are you a inarried woman or not? You have no reason to doubt it. (The Witness was informed by the Chairman, that she must give a direct answer to the question.] I am a married woman; there is no question which I will not answer, though it may be unpleasant.

How long have you been married? I refer you to Mr. W. Adam, he has my certificate.

[The Chairman informed the Witness she must give a direct answer to the question.1

How long have you been married? I believe 14 or 15 years.

Is your husband living? I do not know.

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Have you not sworn yourself to be a widow? His royal highness, a very short time since, when I sent to him to ask him to send me a few hundred pounds, sent me word, that if I dare speak against him, or write against him, he would put me into the pillory, or into the Bastile. He fancies that I swore myself to be a widow woman when I was examined at Court Martial. But the Deputy Judge Advocate had more feeling than the gentleman who has examined me now; he told me I might say any thing out of the Court which it might be unpleasant to me to swear to; I told him it would be very improper for me to say that I was a married woman, when I had been known to be living with the D. of Y. I did not swear that I was a widow, I said it out of Court, and it was put into the Court Martial Minutes as if I had sworn to it, but it was not so. The Judge Advocate, to whom I told it, is at the door, and I think he had better be called in. I know now what he is come for.

Who brought that message from the Duke to you? A very particular friend of the D. of Y.'s. (a laugh.)

Who? One Taylor, a shoemaker in Bondstreet; very well known to Mr. Adam.

By whom did you send the request to the Duke for these few hundreds to which the Duke sent this answer by Taylor? By my own pen. How did you send the letter? By this Ambassador of Morocco. (a laugh.)

What do you mean by this Ambassador of Morocco? The ladies shoemaker.

Was it a verbal answer that was brought to you, or a letter? A verbal answer, in Mr. Taylor's own language or the Duke's; I do not know which it was exactly, but those were the words that passed.

What is your husband's name? Clarke.

What is his Christian name? Joseph, I helieve.

Where were you married to him? At Pancras; Mr. A. can tell you. [The Chairman stated to the Witness, that he felt it his duty to inform her, that her manner of giving her answers, was extremely indecent, and unbecoming the dignity of the House: and that, if persevered in, it would call for a very heavy censure.]

Have you not said, that you were married at Berkhampstead? I did when I was laughing at

Mr. A.

Did you not persevere in that story over and over again? No, I did not, I merely laughed at it.

Was it true or not, that you were married at Berkhampstead? I tell you I told it him laughing; and I told the Duke I was making a fool of him when I said that; for which h. r. h. said he was very sorry, for that he was entirely in Mr. A.'s clutches.

Did you make Mr. A. believe that you were married at Berkhampstead? I do not know what I made him believe.

Did you not find, from subsequent conversations with Mr. A., that he had believed it, and acted upon it in some enquiries that he had made? He set a man of the name of Wilkinson to make some enquiries respecting me; so h. r. h. wrote me in a letter; hut I believe that Mr. A., nor no one, will go to say there was any thing improper in my conduct during the time I was under the Duke's protection: nor will h. r. h. believe it, I am certain.

Did you not represent your husband as a nephew of Mr. Alderman Clarke? He told me he was.

Did you believe that your husband was a nephew of Mr. Alderman C. ? Yes, I did; he told me so.

Did you ever see Mr. Alderman C.? I never saw any of Mr. Clarke's relations, but two of his brothers, and his sister; I have seen the Alderman sometimes about, as any body else might have seen him.

Do you now believe that your husband is the nephew of Alderman C.? I have never taken any pains to ask any thing concerning him, as I have quitted him; he is nothing to me, nor I to him; nor have I seen him nearly these three years, nor heard of him since he brought an action against the Duke, or threatened; I saw him about a month before that.

What is your husband? He is nothing but

a man.

What business? No business.

Was he never any business? No, his father was a builder: he lives at Kettering, in Northamptonshire.

Was not he a stone-mason? No, he was not; he lives at Kettering with his younger brother, who was brought up at Cambridge, and his brother's wife; that is all I know of him.

Did you ever live in Tavistock-place? Yes, I did.

When did you live there? I do not recollect; I lived there with my mother.

How many years ago? I do not recollect. When did you go to Gloucester-place? I do not recollect; I was with the Duke, in Parklane, before.

When did you go to Park-lane? I do not recollect.

How long was it before you went to Parklane, that you were in Tavistock-place? I do not recollect.

Did you live at any other place between the time of your living in Tavistock-place and in Park-lane? I do not know; the Duke knows if I did; I might have gone to some of his houses; I do not know.

How long did you live in Tavistock-place? I do not recollect; I did not live long there; I was backwards and forwards.

Was not that before you knew the Duke? No, it was not.

Where did you live when first you knew the Duke? You will excuse me, if I do not men

tion it. [The Chairman informed the Witness she must answer the question.] I do not re

collect.

If you do not recollect, why did you desire to be excused from answering the question? Because I do not recollect it.

Was your only reason for desiring to be excused from answering the question, that you do not recollect it? Yes; because it would be seeming as if I could not answer many of the questions you put to me: I wish to be very fair and very honest.

Recollect yourself, and say positively whether you did not live in Tavistock-place before you knew the Duke? I knew the Duke many years before that. I do not think it is a fair question at all to put to me; you hear that I am a married woman, and I have a family of children, and I have a daughter grown up.

Did you not live in Tavistock-place before you were under the Duke's protection, as you expressed yourself? I was under his protection; I might have lived there: I lived under his protection there.

Do you mean to say, you were under his protection when first you went to Tavistockplace? No; I was under my mother's; but I knew him before.

Did you not live in Tavistock-place as a widow; did you not represent yourself as a widow? No, never at any place whatever; but at that court-martial lately I did; I thought it was saving myself and my family something; and I thought it was saving h. r. h. likewise, as he was married also.

Do you mean to say that you never lived in Tavistock-place till you were under the protection of the Duke? No; I say I was there with my mother and my children; I knew h. r. h. previous to that, but I did not live with him.

Did you not represent to the trades-people who furnished your house there, that you were a widow? Never to any one whatever.

Have you not threatened the Duke, that if he would not come into the terms you proposed, and pay you what you required of him, you would put the letters into the hands of persons who would pay you? Would pay me what?

That which you required the Duke to pay you? What is that? will you be so good as to state what I wanted him to do.

Have you not stated, that you had put upon paper, or would put upon paper, the transactions for the last 14 or 15 years, and that if he did not comply with your demand, that you would put that memoir into the hands of persons who would publish it? No, I have not; I cannot recollect what I said, but I must beg for the letter, and that will convince at once.

You have stated, that you have mentioned this transaction to some other persons besides col. Wardle; who are those persons? Indeed I do not recollect; my acquaintances; it might have been in a slight sort of way; I did not make a talk of it myself.

How long ago was it that you first mentioned it to col. Wardle? That must have been since I wrote that letter to Mr. Adam; I did not know col. Wardle at that time: Mr. Adam sent a messenger to me, but I would not see him.

Who has been present besides col. Wardle, when you have ever mentioned this transaction to him? I do not know of any body but my children, or a young lady now and then; nobody of any consequence-no man.

To what man have you ever mentioned this, except to col. Wardle? To many gentlemen; to my acquaintances; I do not recollect; I do not know.

Do you know major Hogan? Not at all; I never saw him in my life, nor ever heard of him till I read a pamphlet. Mr. Greenwood sent a message a little time since by this same man, Taylor, to say that he was very sorry to hear that I was acquainted with a Mr. Finnerty. I never saw the man in my life. I believe about eight or nine years ago, at Margate, they said there was some newspaper men there, and he was there; that is all that I know. I never saw him since. And there is another man who writes, who says he is very intimate with me; I never saw him but once, and that was when h. r. h. was with me: that was at my mother's.

Do you recollect the particulars of the last conversation which you had with Mr. R. Knight? Yes; he asked me who had taken the house I was in, and if the Duke and I were upon intimate terms now; it was a sort of general conversation; and then the subject of the letters came up, and he asked me whether h. r. h. had paid me my annuity; I told him no; that h. r. h. had not taken any further notice of me nor of the debts; that he had forgotten the annuity, and indeed that he had sent me word that he had never made any; that the trades-people were daily harrassing me for the debts I had run into when I was under his protection, and it was impossible for me to plead my marriage to them all, the people not being contented, and that I would publish his letters, and give the money among the trades-people. Mr. R. Knight then desired me, if I was going to publish any sort of memoir, that I would be sure to spare his brother. That was the heads of the conversation that passed between us.

Was there any other notice taken, in that conversation, of the business that is at present under discussion, except Mr. R. Knight requesting you generally to spare his brother? No, certainly not.

Did you make any inquiries of Mr. R. Knight, concerning the business now under discussion? Mr. Knight told me, I believe, as well as I can recollect: "Ah, by the bye, you got very well over the difficulty that my brother could not;" and then I asked him the name of the other man, but I knew it before, and what sort of looking man he was; he said he was an Irish

man,

I understand you to have said, in the former

part of your examination, that col. Wardle had mentioned the circumstances, to you; and that all the information you had given to him, was generally, that the circumstances he had so mentioned, were true: do you still abide by that answer? Yes.

Have you ever had any more than one conversation with col. Wardle upon this matter under discussion? No, I have not; and I hope I shall never hear of it any more.

Are you in the habit of seeing col. Wardle, or have you seen him more frequently than that occasion when he came to inquire into those circumstances? O dear, yes.

Do you recollect how long ago it was that that conversation relating to this business took place between you and col. Wardle? I have said before, it could not have been long since.

Has the only conversation you had with col. Wardle, upon this subject, taken place within these three days? No.

Has it taken place since Friday last? Indeed I do not know; I do not recollect: I do not think that it has.

Did that conversation take place since Friday last? No; to the best of my recollection

not.

Did you see col. Wardle on Saturday last? I see him very often; I think I saw him at the Opera on Saturday.

Did you see him any where else but at the Opera on Saturday? He frequently calls upon

me.

Did you know, and when did you know, that col. Wardle had, in this house, stated the present transaction, and mentioned his intention of calling upon you as a witness? When I saw the newspaper. He called upon me soon afterwards, and I certainly was very angry with him; and we had some words, as he had made very free with a friend's name of mine, Mr. Donovan, without my authority, depreciating his services and abilities. Mr. Donovan has been wounded in the service of his country, and has not been in bed for these 20 years; and he is only a lieutenant in some garrison battalion. Mr. Wardle, one morning when he was calling upon me, took a parcel of letters away from me, without my giving him my sanction: and that has led more to the business than any thing, and I have never been able to get them back since. He laughed it off, saying, that he should get into my love-secrets. They were letters between friends and myself.

Do you not now recollect, that it was on Saturday last that you saw the newspaper that gave you this information? I do not recollect the day at all.

Did you not see col. Wardle on Saturday last? I see him almost every day; sometimes every other day, or twice a week-I do not recollect-I dare say I did I am in the habits of seeing him often; but I did not know he was going to bring this thing forward; and I told him I would get out of town; and he told me, that if they caught me any where they would put me in prison, and I must not show

Have you any doubt; are you not certain that you saw him yesterday? No, I did not see him yesterday.

Are you certain now that you did not see bim yesterday? I think that I am, I do not think I was at home all day.

Did you see col. Wardle on the forenoon of this day? Yes, I did, two or three times.

Do you still adhere to your former answer, that you have not, within these three days or since Friday last, had any conversation with col. Wardle, relative to the subject at present under discussion? To day he told me that I must come here and obey that summons; and one day last week, a few days ago, he told me I must abide by what he had done, and speak the truth, and if I did not the house would commit me for contempt; that if I prevaricated at all, and did not speak the truth, the house would commit me, and send me where they had sent some sheriffs before.

You have stated, that h. r. h. the Commander in Chief must have known you had received a pecuniary compliment for the service you had done to col. Knight, because he had seen a note; did you shew the Commander in Chief that note before or at any other time, except when you asked him to exchange it for your own convenience, for the distribution of money among your servants? I shewed it him after dinner one day, when I was going out of town in the morning, and h. r. h. at night: I never shewed it him, but that once, and it was changed on that night.

(By Lord Folkestone.)

You have stated, that you sent the Gazette, containing the exchange which took place, in a note to Dr. T.; do you recollect what was said in that note? No, I do not; very little, I dare say, as I sent the Gazette with the note.

You have likewise stated, that the 2001. was brought to you in a note, with Dr. T.'s compliments; are you certain as to that fact? Yes, I think I can say positively to that, because I told my own maid to go down and give the man who brought the letter a guinea.

Was the compliments a verbal message, or inserted in the note? I am certain the note was inclosed in an envelope; I never recollected to speak certain as to there being a note on the paper, because I thought there was a finish of the thing, and that nobody would ever call upon me about it, but I think I read Dr. T.'s compliments.

Do you know who brought that note to your house? No, it was a man servant, and I considered it to be Dr. T.'s servant, as he had spoken to me.

Do you recollect at what time of day it was received? In the middle of the day.

You have stated in a former part of your examination, that the exchange was effected within a very few days after the application was made for the exchange; do you allude to the application made by Dr. T. to you, or the application made by you to the Commander in Chief? I spoke to h. r. h. the same day at dinner.

And the exchange was effected within a few days? Yes, two or three days.

Do you recollect how soon after that it ap

was effected it was in the Gazette.

Soon after you had received the 2001. Mr. R. Knight and Mr. Biddulph called upon you? Yes, I do not know exactly how soon after. I went out of town the night after I had received the 2001. and staid perhaps a fortnight or three weeks, and they called after that time. He in troduced Mr. Biddulph to me.

Did Mr. R. Knight, after that, ever call upon you alone at any time, soon after you had received the 200l.? Many times alone.

Did you ever at any time, în conversation with Mr. R. Knight, either when Mr. R. Knight was alone with you, or when any person was with you, ever say to him, that you were desirous that the transaction that had happened should be concealed from h. r. b.? Never in my life; I never said that, and I have so stated before.

Then, if any body has ever said that you said so, that accusation is false ? Certainly. VOL. XII.

Had you any reason to desire to conceal from the Commander in Chief Mr. R. Knight's visits to you; did you ever desire him to conceal his visits from the Commander in Chief? I never concealed his visits, or those of any gentleman who ever visited me, from the Commander in Chief.

(By the Chancellor of the Exchequer.). Were those letters you referred to, taken away before the time that col. Wardle had the conversation first with you upon the subject of this inquiry? Yes, I should think they were, because it is some time since.

Do you recollect how long since? No, I do not; but there was nothing of Mr. Knight's business in those letters.

Had you any conversation with col. Wardle, upon the subject of those letters, before he took them away? No, I had not.

How happened they to be lying in his way? Because I was looking over my papers, going into a new house: I had removed from my mother's in Bedford-place, to Westbourn-place, and he took up those letters, and said he would take away the packet of love-letters; and he ran away with them.